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Sunday, December 09, 2007

End of the year thoughts

Sorry for the lack of posts. Its the end of the year, and everyone is working alot. I know Adam is in crunch for Wall E and I'm cruching on the short that will be in front of the feature.

We are in the process of redesigning the Spline Doctors web site. Hopefully it will be alot easier to navigate and all the past posts will be better organized. A really talented guy named Ben Lew is helping us. Also, all the Spline Casts will have their own page. In the upcoming year, we have alot of new spline casts coming. This blog will move more towards podcasts. We will still give tips, and write about animation, but we want to focus on creating useful podcasts for you to hear.

On an Animation note, there was a lot of animation this year. I saw a bit of Enchanted and really enjoyed it. Hats off to all that worked on it and to Baxter Studios. I am curious to see Beowulf, but the eyes on the characters really weird me out. I have to ask why they just did not decide to do this film live action? I appreciate the work, but I really just want to know what is gained by doing cg humans? I can understand doing penguins, or Gollum or giant apes. When I look at the cg human, the uncanny valley effect sets in and I just disconnect. I'd be curious to hear what people thought. One thing I also dont understand is why the film is being considered for academy consideration for animation. Ok, there may be some animation, but the film is not animated by hand. Apparently, the Academy and the powers that be, do not agree with me.

Education in animation is really gone through the roof. Students have so many choices these days when it comes to learning character animation. On-line schools like Animation Mentor, as well as many brick and morter schools are out there to choose from. The bay area is booming for animation education. One thing that I still feel is a big issue is how students go about making thier own films. If you are doing a film in cg, either you have to do it very simple, use pre built rigs or have an amazing amount of knowledge of 3d software to build a good piece. Schools like Cal Arts does great 2d films, but when it comes to 3d, they struggle. The opposite happens at places like the Academy of Art. The Academy has an amazing program, if you are talented enough to get in the track with all the guys from Pixar teaching. They turn out amazing animators and the teachers are all awesome. Its just that you don't see alot of student films. Places like Animation Mentor are using pre built rigs to have students do films. I think its a good idea and at least it gets students immersed in film making. The last thing we need is for schools to just pump out animators, much in the way technical schools pump out electricians or mechanics. I sometimes wonder if the industry is large enough to support all the animation students that will be coming out every year.

Have a great new year and expect more to come next year.



Blogger aziz k. said...

Oh come on Andrew, don't bum us animation students out! We must have the hope that we'll get jobs!

12:23 AM

Anonymous Bobby said...

What's the short flim called?

12:15 PM

Blogger Dr. Gordon said...

I dont mean to bum you out at all. I just hope that the animation industry (feature animation) grows to support all the incredible talent. Of course there are always jobs for really good animators. You just may have to pay your dues working at another type of animation job before you land the dream job. Thats all I'm saying....

1:24 PM

Blogger Matt C said...

More Splinecasts sounds great! I'd especially love to see more animation roundtables. On the subject of Beowulf, here's some food for thought from the Oscars website:

"Rule Seven
Special Rules for the Best Animated Feature Award


An animated feature film is defined as a motion picture created using a frame-by-frame technique of at least 70 minutes in running time with a significant number of the major characters animated, and in which animation figures in no less than 75% of the picture’s running time."

check it out here

Is it just me or is something strange going on here? 75%? frame-by-frame technique? Created(as in not digitally captured)? That aside I did actually see the film and agree with your other sentiments as well. On a lighter note I thought Enchanted was a lot of fun. :)

2:26 PM

Blogger Chintan Shah said...

Thats really cool to have more Podcasts. looking forward to it,

besides i have a small suggestion how about having some small goodies like Wallpaper, icons, etc of splinedoctors logo for downloads on the new website as well.

Thanks a lot.

Chintan :D

2:57 PM

Blogger Jean-Denis Haas said...

I loved Enchanted (except for the poop joke, it's just not needed at all)!

The reason why Zemeckis is going all CG is because he got burned making "Cast Away". Hauling all that equipment and cast/crew to the island and back was an enormous struggle and he's just tired of it. With mocap he can have a 9 to 5 job and go home in the evening to be with his family, plus he has total control of the movie (to some extend of course - now that he has his own company he will actually be in control).

Even though I would have gone the "300" route with Beowulf I feel he paid his dues before starting the whole mocap work. In 10 years or so it will be quite different and someone has to start plugging away.

Going through the Art of Beowulf book is painful because you see the actors in costume and they look good, no need for CG...

But hey, his movies allow to "... pay your dues working at another type of animation job before you land the dream job."


3:39 PM

Blogger Bobby Beck said...

Thanks for the Spline Doctors. You guys do a great job! I'm happy to hear you are going to be doing more splinecasts. They are excellent! I can't wait to see the new site, too. That sounds really exciting.

As far as Beowulf goes, I heard Zemeckis was actually throwing a fit to NOT have it submitted for the Academy Awards animation category, but the execs felt differently. :(

As far as animation schools growing, I agree there are many excellent options. But just as there are more animation schools popping up there are studios popping up, too. At Animation Mentor we have students from 54 countries and it's been exciting to see animation grow so much over the last 3 years. Of course most everyone would like to work at Pixar and even though that is not possible for everyone, it's nice to know there are options out there for people.

Happy Holidays to the Spline Doctors! Enjoy.

4:33 PM

Blogger Dr. Gordon said...

Hey Bobby,

Thanks for weighing in on this one. I'm glad that Animation Mentor is doing so well and love that you guys are so committed to the best animation education possible. I'd love to hear your thoughts on how 3d animation students can best make a film. Is it just knowing the tools well enough to create anything you want, or making it simple enought to pull off?

Have a great holiday bro.

5:57 PM

Blogger gemini82 said...

Good things are coming in for the new year. Can't wait to see what Ben Lew comes up with for the new site design. Is there any way we can get a link to his work, I'm just curious

6:19 PM

Blogger khoa le said...

Hi Andrew, if you're interested in hearing about the who, what, when, where, why of Beowulf, you can go to the official website where you can listen to an extensive uncensored podcast with Robert Zemekis himself about his choices as to why he's doing MOCAP.

The link is under the tab Special Features: The Beowulf Podcast: Episode 14. Zemekis makes some valid points in his defense so hope it answers some questions for you! Please tell Rob Thompson a fellow classmate said to keep up the awesome work!

7:01 PM

Anonymous Barry said...

Very cool to hear about plans for more splinecasts and a site update! Thanks guys for doing this. Its all very inspiring stuff.

To weigh in on the student film thing: I really think it just required keeping it simple. I really wish I could go back and do my thesis film over again. It was about a 30 minute story crammed into about 6 minutes, which is still wayyyyy too long.

As for jobs for young animators...I think you have a good point Andrew. It seems like there is so much good student work coming out (far more than when I graduated 5 years ago). I hope there are enough good opportunities out there for everyone. But, for any students out there looking, video games may be a good route to go. I'm an animator in the game industry right now, and we have a lot of trouble finding good animators all the time.

5:26 AM

Blogger John said...

I graduated in August with a Masters from AAU. I agree that keeping the film simple is the key to getting it done and done well. Or team up with other students who will do the modeling, rigging, and/or texturing.
I also used the tools that are out there, such as The Setup Machine by Anzovin Studios to speed up the rigging process, or maybe get a model from turbosquid.

It's incredibly tough to learn how to animate well and produce a short film. I was able to take one of the Pixar classes, and I remember spending most of my time on that work learning how to animate, while my short film took a back seat. I don't know how I would have taken the second or third class and still finish my film.

If you would like to see how my film turned out, it's here:

I know that there could be more polish, there isn't much texturing, and some of the renders are not perfect, however, my 6 year old cousin watched it 7 times in a row, and that to me was a success. Another suggestion would be to make a story you want to tell. I had something I wanted to say about the state of yoga here in the west, and it drove me to make the best possible film I could with my limited time and resources.

9:44 AM

Blogger martin wittig said...

Wonderful blog, I will be back for more soon!:)

11:12 AM

Blogger Robert said...

I sometimes wonder if the industry is large enough to support all the animation students that will be coming out every year.

It's already not large enough.

I remember the famous Keith Lango post a few years ago where he showed how microscopic the animation industry really was. Even if it's three times as big now... it's still small.

But keep up the splinecasts, they are interesting and informative, none-the-less.

12:57 PM

Blogger Jean-Denis Haas said...

Thanks for the Beowulf podcast info, that was very interesting!

1:35 PM

Anonymous Juanaro Dou Pelotas said...

Good today information Doctors.
I in Talcahuano today to you speaking in animation. Animation really. More. More. Motion to capture Beowulf not. Today goodbye. Much Thakn splines you for podcasts in year today.

2:57 PM

Anonymous Reaker said...

Dr.Gordon, there is always video game animation. I know feature animators look at video games as a joke, but I disagree.

I think with more games like Team Fortress 2, where art style and animation taking front seat, there will be a lot of opportunity for any animator.

Plus I thought Ratchet and Clank had amazing animation as well. Talented people will always find some work.

5:18 PM

Blogger Sant Arellano said...

Hey Andrew!!! Just saw your Polish lecture at AM and it was great!

I was just telling some of my animation friends about how sometimes is very hard to see your work objectively, its a skill every animator needs to develop, to make a difference on the things that made you progress, things that look great and things that need a lot more work.

And I got to this because in the lecture you go "Ok, lets see the animation so far..." (animation plays and to me, its amazing and almost done) and you go "Mmhhh.. It's getting there, but I still don't like it.. needs this and this and this and this" and I went "Oh crap... I need to start thinking in that level!"

Anyhoo, thanks so much for the podcasts! To me, they're animation gems! Thanks, especially for the story splinecast! Could you tell us about competition in the story artist/storyboard area?? Is it as tight as animators competing to get a job?

And yeah!!! I've gotten as many great experiences with videogames as I do with films. Especially since games have gotten more narrative and aim more for beleivability!

Thanks spline doctors!!!


PD Sorry for the long note, but I'm looking for a school in the US, not for animation, but to study film and/or develop my drawing skills. Is the academy of arts good in those departments?

8:46 PM

Blogger Dr. Gordon said...


Thanks for the nice comments about the polish lecture. That was my first time using Maya for animation so I wish the scene could have been better. Polish is one of those things that you never feel done with on a scene. The scene can always be better. Im not sure what you are talking about regarding a storyboard competition. Where did you read about that?

As for a school that you are looking for for drawing... Im not so sure the Academy of Art is the best place, but certainly not bad. The Academy of Art does not have admission requirements. This can be seen as either a very good thing or a bad one. I think it works both ways. If you are just looking for a school to learn how to draw figures, you might want to look into places that have night classes. How do you want to apply the drawing skills? In animation? Also, I depends where you live... I think I need more info in order to give you a recommendation.


10:42 AM

Blogger Sant Arellano said...

Thanks for the answer Andrew,

On the storyboards, I'm just asking if theres a lot of competition to get a job as a story artist or storyboard artist for feature animation as there is to get jobs in the animation department.

9:22 PM

Blogger Lel said...

Hungry for more, you guys are awesome, have a great holiday and I'll hear from you next year : )

12:18 AM

Blogger Nick said...

I wondered the same thing when I was in school. Are there enough jobs?
There were a lot of animators coming through the Academy and other schools as well. I wondered if there was room for me in the industry. I ended up in games and have had the pleasure of actually working on a couple of really good ones key framing and can honestly say that it is challenging, rewarding, and not at all what I had expected.
I just got hired at a company in Australia, made the move from California and was surprised to see there is a large and growing game industry here as well as humble beginnings of commercial and possible 3d feature houses. I have made a living animating and now it is letting me see the world as well.
More animators I believe means a larger market for animation and eventually more studios. As the new generation of Americans get older they will shed the 70 years of conditioning that Animation is just for kids and the market will grow even more. Larger market means more jobs and more opportunities.

Done ranting. Keep up the great work and I look forward to the future of the Spline Doctors.

11:45 PM

Anonymous mitm2002 said...

You can add me to the list of people who would love more podcasts - very entertaining - I find myself going back and listening again!

Also, maybe there could be an annual contest - people could submit a 30 second animated piece - winner could receive some fun Pixar swag? :)

Happy new year - keep up the awesome work!

9:55 PM

Blogger Frank Spalteholz said...

Hey Andrew and everyone!

Great post and serious topic! I'm currently working as a mentor in a small traditional animation-school in Hamburg/Germany and i totally argee with you. Milt Kahl (i guess he was the one) was once saying that when an animator is given a shot he should think first like a director then like an actor and at the very end like an animator.

For me this is very true, but to be able to do so you must have been directed and acted first. So we as mentors decided that our students must do a shortfilm as a graduation and every year it is so amazing what they create. So all students were not just animating they also learned alot about story(!), layout, compositions, design and so on. That's so important for an animator else well, 'course animation is not just drawing keyposes or pushing splines. It's the combination of all of these aspects of making a movie. But the most important thing (in my opinion) is that this is the only way to let these talented young people grow as artists. Doing a short is the most fun and at the same time the hardest thing 'course you are free with all decicions but you must take them.

At the end i just want to add that you guys are doing great, please keep that blog alive and i wish you and all others a great x-mas and wonderful new-year!

Greetings Frank

5:00 AM

Blogger Gerald said...

Andrew -

Any comments on the art school "Expressions" in Emeryville. I hear some students never finished the animation/vfx program because they land internships that eventually turn into full time jobs.

Thanks for the post and Happy Holidays!

2:07 PM

Blogger Chintan Shah said...

hey frank,

thats a very good advice you have given here... and it makes a lot of sense too.. thanks a lot :D


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